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3D Smart Dimension Behavior, Some Questions
Mar 7 2011, 12:21 PM
Group: IronCAD Employees
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I wanted to ask some use model questions about the current 3D Smart Dimensions to find out how well it works today and what can be improved for future changes.
Today, I believe many existing users understand our 3D Smart Dimensions and how to apply them to get the objects to move. So the goal is to look at this from a different perspective and see if we can find out the best solution for all. For these questions, we will only discuss the dimensioning between Parts/Assemblies.
Background - Today, the 3D Smart Dimension are applied to the selected or highlighted object (Owner) and to another object. The Owner is the one that will try to move when the dimension is edited. If no objects are selected, the dimension is placed on the Part Level of the hit object when applying the dimension (not the assembly levels above).
Good: It is clear on how to get a specific object to move. Select the object and apply the dimension to it to be the owner and one to move.
Bad: When nothing is selected, it seems odd that it goes to the part level when there are assemblies. Also, new users may not understand this concept when coming from other systems.
1. Is it clear to you that there is this owner concept and how to move objects?
2. Would it be better to have a command browser that shows who the dimension is related to (shows the owner and object at the opposite end of the dimension)?
3. If the command browser concept was used, should it allow the ability to select to any level of the assembly (so you start the command, pick an assembly, list the possible options to connect the dimension too - assembly, sub-assembly, etc, part)?
4. Would it be confusing if by default, the smart dimension selected the top most level of the selection? For example: Nothing is highlighted and you select on a part. It would by default find the top most object (the assembly) and apply the dimension there by default.
Background #2 - Today, the solving of the Dimensions in IRONCAD are primarily unidirectional. This means that the Owner is the one to move. If the owner cannot solve (or cannot move), the system does not try to see if the object at other end of the Dimension can move to solve the dimensional change (Bidirectional solving - more real world).
1. If Bidirectional support is added, how will this affect your current understanding of the dimension relations? For Example: In some cases, the other end of the dimension will move if the owner cannot solve the dimension. Is that expected?
2. When you create the dimension, it is understood who the owner or preferred moving object is. The other end of the dimension will be the shape at the common parent level (for example: You select on the part, it will move up the tree to the parent that is at the same level. So say you have Part 1 in assembly 1 and you select Part 1 as the owner. Next you select Part 2 with is under Assembly 2. The dimension will be actually to Assembly 2 since it is at the same parent level as Part 1's parent assembly.
Please let me know your thoughts.
Mar 30 2011, 02:46 PM
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My simple sum up of the UI for me, is this, if I can do something using one mouse click, I want to keep being able to do it with one mouse click.
The deceiving part is this.....a one click action to do a command as before, hidden under two mouse clicks to get to the "ribbon" that lets you use the one mouse click for the command.
I am constantly reminded of the ProE days, and the hundred million trillion clicks of the "done" box to close down the windows you used to just create a line. ( slightly exaggerated, but not much ) It was astonishing.
I started using IronCad for the simplicity, and the SPEED of creating parts. I understand that looks will change, but I have a problem when now it seems as if IronCad is going backwards to look like all the other applications, which still use a flawed interface, MS Office included.
I'm OK with a change, but not at the sacrifice of speed. It will take away what is good about IronCad, and I would bet a large amount of something, that most every user of IC feels the same.
I know IronCad does not want to make things more difficult, and I am sure you are working hard to try and keep it flowing proper, I just want to make in known that I for one, love the old UI, and if anything new does not work as smoothly, and the old UI goes away, I won't like it, and would consider other software at that point.
Posts in this topic
Cary OConnor 3D Smart Dimension Behavior Mar 7 2011, 12:21 PM dhovatter I have no real input because I always use tri-ball... Mar 8 2011, 08:46 AM tlehnhaeuser Below are some comments I have on the subject.
- I... Mar 8 2011, 02:37 PM Mike Allen I rarely use 3D Smart Dimensions to drive part mov... Mar 8 2011, 04:24 PM mwalls558626 I too, like how the smartdimensions work now. If y... Mar 8 2011, 06:09 PM cborer I can totally promote the postings above, especial... Mar 9 2011, 01:57 AM ysinitsyn
Very important point. I agree... Mar 9 2011, 08:44 AM Cary OConnor The need for Bi-direction is a real need. Bi-Direc... Mar 9 2011, 11:32 AM cborer Carry
I played that through and it worked well.
I ... Mar 9 2011, 02:10 PM Cary OConnor Here is a low quality video.
[attachmentid=6089] Mar 9 2011, 03:20 PM cborer Hi Cary
Yes that behaviour is wrong.
But if... Mar 10 2011, 02:01 AM dberge what i would like to be added to the smartdimensio... Mar 10 2011, 03:03 AM Marcus Bertilsson What I realy would like to be able do is this:
1 ... Mar 10 2011, 06:44 AM Cary OConnor Marcus - I think the best tool for that is the Tri... Mar 10 2011, 09:24 AM jkim522093 I definetely need bi-directional because it is ess... Mar 18 2011, 02:37 AM EricFoy Here's what I'd like:
When placing the Sm... Mar 24 2011, 10:43 PM cborer Hi Eric
Hope your monitor doesn't hit the 100 ... Mar 26 2011, 04:22 AM mwalls558626 [b]Long Live the Original UI[/i] !!!... Mar 28 2011, 02:02 PM Cary OConnor Let me ask this question on the UI while we are he... Mar 28 2011, 02:49 PM B. Ludin
Yes, that is one crucial point. The toolbars are ... Mar 28 2011, 05:04 PM snelson A custom ribbon 'solution' would just make... Mar 29 2011, 01:11 PM B. Ludin
I think the SDs work fine now. However, I would l... Mar 28 2011, 04:56 PM cborer
Beat ....I like that! Mar 30 2011, 02:16 AM Cary OConnor Hi Steve,
I understand you comments. I think our ... Mar 29 2011, 01:49 PM snelson Hitting an extra key to hopefully get a few button... Mar 29 2011, 03:26 PM IronKevin UI's must move forward, we need to keep improv... Mar 29 2011, 04:08 PM snelson "It's the same reason companies don't... Mar 30 2011, 09:11 AM tlehnhaeuser
I have to agree, I dont things need to move forw... Mar 30 2011, 03:13 PM Cary OConnor The S key is to help remove the need for HotKeys. ... Mar 29 2011, 04:20 PM EricFoy Cary:
I'm afraid I'm really a dinosaur her... Mar 29 2011, 05:25 PM Cary OConnor Ribbon in IRONCAD is that Tab at the top with the ... Mar 29 2011, 07:27 PM IronKevin It will always be impossible to please everyone wi... Mar 30 2011, 04:02 PM EricFoy Kevin:
Please don't take this as an attack. N... Apr 1 2011, 03:29 AM dhovatter I agree in big part with Carlo.
It seems that ove... Mar 31 2011, 07:53 AM IronKevin Dallas,
Cary would more qualified to answer your ... Mar 31 2011, 08:37 AM EricFoy Since this thread has already clearly been deraile... Apr 1 2011, 02:54 AM dberge time for a poll? Apr 1 2011, 04:10 AM EricFoy <a href="http://www.ironcad.com/support/co... Apr 1 2011, 04:11 AM dhovatter Kevin
I understand that you need to try and comply... Apr 1 2011, 08:18 AM cborer I think we should cut this discussion from the 3d ... Apr 1 2011, 12:16 PM IronKevin Thank you all, these are very thought out response... Apr 1 2011, 12:36 PM EricFoy Kevin:
How many Indy cars have won with an automat... Apr 2 2011, 02:11 AM mwalls558626 Ha, Ha.......Careful Kevin, I have a standard tran... Apr 1 2011, 01:48 PM cborer I see there are a lot of car enthusiastics in this... Apr 2 2011, 02:46 AM cborer PS one thing I like on the new UI is the big round... Apr 2 2011, 02:54 AM IronKevin I smile each time I read this thread, this is a ve... Apr 2 2011, 09:19 AM cborer Thanks Kevin for the sportive spirit! :)
I th... Apr 2 2011, 10:52 AM IronKevin
One extra note on this.
1. Get your UI all se... Apr 11 2011, 04:30 PM Mike Allen
Hey Kevin, how did you manage to post this from ... May 9 2011, 02:41 PM
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